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====== Poetry ====== | ====== Poetry ====== | ||
- | We mark up poetry differently than normal paragraph text. For Poetry, we apply the following DAISY Styles in Word: | + | For the most part, poetry is marked up the same way as other text. |
- | * Poem (DAISY) | + | Use '' |
- | * Poem - Title (DAISY) | + | |
- | * Poem - Byline (DAISY) | + | |
- | * Author (DAISY) | + | |
- | By poetry, we mean any text where definition of poetic structure is required. The Poem (DAISY) style is an appropriate form of markup for song texts or lyrics. | + | Poetry |
- | =====Styles===== | + | Languages can be applied as needed. See the [[public: |
- | ====Poem (DAISY)==== | + | |
- | The Poem (DAISY) style is used to wrap the entire poem, or fragment of a poem, in the < | + | |
- | The Poem (DAISY) style may also be used to mark up texts displaying elements of versification, metre and rhyme where the use of the Normal paragraph | + | < |
- | **You must always apply the Poem (DAISY) style first, before you apply any of the Title, Author, or Byline styles.** | + | =====Complex Formatting and Producer' |
- | ====Poem - Title (DAISY)==== | + | Sometimes you will come across a poem that has more complex formatting that cannot be translated to EPUB. |
- | The Poem - Title (DAISY) style is used to wrap the title of the poem in the < | + | |
- | < | + | We cannot retain |
+ | < | ||
- | Example: | + | ====Producer' |
- | '' | + | In these cases where we have removed complex formatting include a [[public: |
- | ''Title of Poem [Poem - Title (DAISY)]''</ | + | <WRAP center round box 80%> |
+ | **Producer's Note [Heading Style 1]** | ||
- | ====Poem - Byline (DAISY)==== | + | This book originally appeared with special paragraph and line spaces that added to the meaning |
- | The Poem - Byline (DAISY) styles can be used to wrap information about the creator | + | </ |
- | ====Author (DAISY)==== | + | < |
- | The Author (DAISY) style can be used to wrap the author | + | |
- | <note> | + | For more info, see the [[public: |
- | < | + | ====Common Types of Complex Formatting===== |
- | =====Poems in a foreign language====== | + | The more common forms of complex formatting are: |
- | If the poem is in a foreign language, we can select the text and go to '' | + | |
- | If only select individual words are in other languages, do not apply any language formatting. Simply make a note of this and include this note when you are done and transfer the ticket to the Production Coordinator via RT. | + | * spacing, |
+ | * line justification, | ||
+ | * and concrete poetry. | ||
- | =====Complex Formatting and Producer' | + | In poetry the use of blank space on a page, between lines, words, or even letters, can be used to convey meaning. We do not retain blank spaces. |
- | Sometimes you will come across a poem that has more complex formatting that can not be translated | + | Lines, stanzas, or entire poems can use right justification |
- | ====Common Types of Complex Formatting===== | + | A concrete poem is a poem where the words create a shape on the page that conveys a visual meaning. We do not retain the original shape of a concrete poem. |
- | The more common forms of complex formatting are spacing, line justification, and concrete poetry. | + | < |
- | In poetry the use of blank space on a page, between lines, words, or even letters, can be used to convey meaning. We can not keep these blank spaces. | + | <WRAP center round box 90%> |
+ | **Example** | ||
+ | Original Poem: | ||
- | Lines, stanzas, or entire poems can use right justification to convey meaning. We can not retain right justification. | + | {{: |
- | A Concrete poem is: "an arrangement of linguistic elements in which the typographical effect is more important in conveying meaning than verbal significance. It is sometimes referred to as visual poetry, a term that has now developed a distinct meaning of its own." We can not retain the original shape of a concrete poem. | + | **Example** |
+ | Transcribed Poem: | ||
- | < | + | expresses its |
- | <WRAP center round box 80%> | + | regret |
- | **Example** | + | |
- | Original Poem: | + | |
- | In-Text Producer' | + | for the |
- | In the section titled (5) the words after the first line originally appeared with no spaces | + | ramifications of former wrongs |
- | </ | + | |
- | ====Producer' | + | build on the positive relationships of the past and |
- | In these cases include | + | present to move toward |
- | <WRAP center round box 80%> | + | people of this land live reconciled as brothers and |
- | **Producer' | + | |
+ | sisters and harmoniously steward and protect | ||
+ | |||
+ | the | ||
+ | |||
+ | island together | ||
- | This book originally appeared with special paragraph and line spaces that added to the meaning of the text. Due to the conversion process these design elements have been removed. For poems that originally appeared with more complex formatting there are in-text producer’s notes. | ||
</ | </ | ||
- | < | + | ====Images in Poems==== |
+ | Sometimes you will come across images | ||
- | For more info please go to the [[public: | + | We transcribe all images of text and mark up with the appropriate NNELS styles. |
- | ====In-Text Producers Notes===== | + | Sometimes you will find the poet has used an image of a black bar to signify the censorship of a word of phase. |
- | If there are individual poems within a collection that have complex formatting you may have to also include | + | ==== Q&A Archive ==== |
+ | Q: I have a follow up question about the poetry book, How to Dress a Fish. In your answer below regarding | ||
- | <note important> | + | I expected that the black boxes would be images of black boxes since you said to add alt-text for them. I've actually found that all the black boxes I've encountered so far (I'm about 30% through) are regular text in the docx file - so, I can see the word that was originally blacked out in the text and there are no images |
- | < | + | So, to format it to be like the original, I was deleting the word meant to be blacked out and then inserting the Unicode that you gave me for another poetry book, U+25AC. But I just realized that I can instead highlight the word that needs to be blacked out and use the highlight tool to make it black. Then it looks just like the original. Is it okay to proceed that way? There are also some words that are highlighted grey but still legible and I thought I could apply this technique to these as well. Does highlighting words work when you do the XML markup? If this approach won't work, should I stick with the Unicode symbol of a black bar? |
- | See [[public:nnels: | + | A: Sorry for the confusion. |
- | Below is an example from the book // | + | ---- |
- | For more information | + | Q: I am currently working |
- | <WRAP center round box 80%> | + | A: Recreate it with the same numbers as it is in the original. The poet meant for the lines to break up like that, as this is a common technique in poetry to convey meaning and emotion. |
- | **Example of An In-Line Producer' | + | |
- | **{{:public: | + | ---- |
+ | Q: Also in " | ||
- | **Original Poem Sections** | + | A: This is not a table, it is three columns. Tables are used for tabular data, in this case it was used to create the layout for the columns. This is not accessible, and is also poor publishing practice. To create columns see [[public: |
- | **{{: | + | ---- |
- | **{{: | ||
- | **{{: | + | Q: I'm wondering about alignment and spacing. The poet in the book I'm editing (Silvija) makes use of left and right justification at some points in the book. Should I align the text as the poet did or stick to right justification only? Also, the book contains a lot of white space (poems are on separate pages). Should I add page breaks in this case? Finally, I just want to verify that the slash ('/' |
- | </ | + | |
+ | A: Poetry is a controversial area of ebook production :) NNELS takes the approach of using left justification for all our documents. For some people, text justification may present readability issues. Extended spaces between words and sometimes letters within words can create spaces of white that can visually dominate the text. If you use screen magnification then magnifying these spaces of white, in particular the space in between words, can increase the need for scrolling beyond what would be required if text was aligned to one side. | ||
+ | |||
+ | You can delete all empty pages as we don't have to worry about retaining the original page numbers in this work. | ||
+ | |||
+ | And yes, do use all the original punctuation. TTS is good at reading punctuation. If you're curious how TTS can read text, you can enable the built-in dictation software on your iOS (VoiceOver) or Windows. Keep in mind that TTS software tend to differ [[http:// | ||
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+ | Q: Currently working on Pendent que Perceval Tombait (poem). I saw a previous Q&A mentioned that all blank pages should be removed (we do not need to keep same page numbering), but we can keep the text on separate pages for the poetry book. I know that we also have to remove page breaks. Is this the exception for page breaks? The answer in that Q&A was not clear to me. Otherwise, how would you keep the text on separate pages? There are often no headings, so I can't even use headings as a divider instead. Each page has 4-5 lines, and then skips to the next page. | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: That was back from when we did DAISY. I removed that line from the wiki. Just format it with headings and no page breaks. We don't keep page numbering in conversion. | ||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: Another question about My Art is Killing Me (poetry). There are parts of the poems that use a different color for the words to convey the author speaking to the reader. | ||
+ | |||
+ | I know that we do not do this. Is this something that also goes into the production note? Or is there a way to emphasize this? | ||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Put a not in a Producer' | ||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: Working on My Art is Killing Me (poetry) and there is this formatting in one of the poems: | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | Do I keep it? I'm leaning on *not*. In that case, how do I format it? Just remove the lines? | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Replace the lines with commas. | ||
- | =====Example Word and XML markup===== | + | ---- |
+ | Q: I'm working on " | ||
+ | The first poem: | ||
- | ====Example 1==== | + | {{: |
- | **In Word, if we tag the text below with the Poem (DAISY) style...** | + | In this case, I'm not sure if the line "The whole in the sky" should be at the end of the poem (this is how it looks when I clear formatting), or if I should have the line in the middle of the other lines (ex. A guilt folds into me like THE humanity. *but without the capitalization). The lines aren't exactly lined up, so this didn't feel like the best fit to me. |
- | + | The second poem: | |
- | | + | |
- | le temps a métallisé la neige | + | |
- | et le silence s’est réjoui | + | |
- | pour mieux se confondre | + | |
- | des traits blancs se précipitent au sol | + | |
- | des montagnes s’accrochent | + | |
- | sur les écorces des arbres et sur | + | |
- | des bras épineux | + | |
- | les verts disparaissent | + | |
- | les bleus deviennent opalescents | + | |
- | les contours des bruns et des roux | + | |
- | | + | |
- | par moments | + | |
- | un oiseau tire un trait noir | + | |
- | dans cet espace accéléré | + | |
- | **... then this is the output we will get in XML: | + | {{: |
- | ** | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | </ | + | |
- | </ | + | |
- | ====Example 2==== | + | In this case, I think the lines are intended to be read horizontally, |
+ | Thanks for your help! | ||
- | **In Word, if we tag the text below with the Poem (DAISY), the Poem - Title (DAISY), and the Author (DAISY) styles...** | + | A: Unfortunately, this is a great example of a book where meaning is lost with reformatting. There is no clear way to retain " |
- | XXIX | + | In the first example "The Hole In the Sky" is supposed to be a hole in the poem, but also it should be able to be read as one phrase. I am leaning towards keeping the words together in one phrase (i.e. "The Hole in the Sky" |
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- | I all alone beweep my outcast state,</ | + | |
- | And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries, | + | |
- | And look upon myself, and curse my fate | + | |
- | + | ||
- | | + | |
- | **...then this is the output | + | In the second example, my first instinct |
- | <poem> | + | You should add to the producer' |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | </ | + | |
- | < | + | |
- | </poem> | + | |
- | =====Q& | ||
- | **Q: I am editing a poetry book that uses Italian, French, and Latin. | ||
- | A: Unfortunately, | + | [[public:nnels: |