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- | =======Image Burnout | + | =======Alt-Text |
- | It can take a lot of practice to get good at writing Alt-text, and even then we can sometimes hit a wall when describing images. This section is to post any of your problem images you are stuck with describing. | + | It can take a lot of practice to get good at writing Alt-text, and even then we can sometimes hit a wall when describing images. This section is to post any of your problem images you are stuck with describing, or any images |
- | Note Before | + | |
- | Tips to avoid burnout: | + | When posting a question please include: |
+ | * Title and location of issue/ | ||
+ | * Image and context | ||
+ | Here is a video tutorial of [[https:// | ||
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+ | <note tip>Go to [[public: | ||
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+ | Q: Alt-text/ long description for chart in Part 5 of the NKJV Life Application Study Bible. I know this information should be in a table because of a previous similar (but simpler) chart, but I’m not sure how many columns, or possibly how many tables. | ||
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+ | For kings of Israel and kings of Judah, there is the following information: | ||
+ | * Year of start of reign | ||
+ | * Length of reign | ||
+ | * King’s name | ||
+ | * Events associated with king | ||
+ | * Accomplishments of king | ||
+ | * Bible references | ||
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+ | There are also bars that represent prophets that prophesied during the kings’ reigns, and sometimes the prophets overlap with multiple kings. | ||
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+ | Here is image 1 of 4 that connect. In images 3 and 4, there are additional bars representing the prophets in the bottom section as well as the top section. | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: You would do the same thing as you did for the other table. Create a heading for the prophets. If they repeat, repeat the name in the corresponding cell. If there is no prophet then treat as a blank cell. | ||
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+ | Q part 2: So to confirm, all of the information about each king (length of reign, events, accomplishments, | ||
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+ | Q: In the NKJV Life Application Study Bible, there are links to other sections that look like asides and many include images. We have agreed that some images are decorative and can be removed. I have also come across some that include thumbnail images of the image in the section that it is linked to. (And have since realized that some in a previous section I submitted are like this as well--the maps.) Can I also consider these decorative and wait to describe them fully in the later section? Or should I describe the thumbnails thoroughly because the reader comes across them before the full-sized image? | ||
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+ | First screenshot is an example of already-determined-to-be-decorative images. Second is an example of a thumbnail. | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: Both are decorative. | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: Follow up question about the timeline lists in NKJV Life Application Study Bible. I’m not sure if ordered or unordered lists are better. Most of the events already have dates associated with them, which means I could use an unordered list with multiple levels for the multiple events. However, the first two events in the first image of the timeline has two events that are undated; I think an ordered list would more clearly show where those events are in the sequence. What do you think? | ||
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+ | A: This answer is for both of your questions. Remember, when you are dealing with Timelines it is mainly just raw data, so we want to start there. Since this is a comparative time line, two long lists would remove the comparison aspect. There is also nothing to nest here, as it is all top level information. | ||
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+ | I would put this into a Table with the header row being '' | ||
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+ | | Dates| Bible Events| World Events| | ||
+ | | Undated| Creation| - | | ||
+ | |Undated| Noah builds and arch| - | | ||
+ | |2500 BC| - | text of event| | ||
+ | |2400 BC| - | text of event| | ||
+ | |2331 BC| - | text of event| | ||
+ | |2300 BC| - | text of event| | ||
+ | |2300 BC| - | text of event| | ||
+ | |2166 BC| text of event| - | | ||
+ | |2100 BC| - | text of event| | ||
+ | |2091 BC| text of event| - | | ||
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+ | For the images themselves: put the alt-text and link to long description with the first image, and then set all the other images to decorative. | ||
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+ | Q: In the NKJV Life Application Study Bible, in the section “A Chronology of Bible Events and World Events” there are 10 images over 5 pages that are separate sections of a timeline. Should these be treated as a Two-Page Spread, where the full description goes with the first image, or can I treat it like a children’s Two-Page Spread, where we say that the second image is a continuation of the first? The description will pretty much just be two long lists of events (one for Biblical and one for world), I think, so I suppose it’s a matter of if fewer lists are better than more, and how it will be formatted in the Complex Image Descriptions section. | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | Q: In Billie’s Blues, there are two handwritten letters that are mostly illegible. Except for short captions, they are not described in the text but appear to be just plunked in for added value. Since I can read most of one and some of the other, is it worth transcribing with some kind of notation for when the words are illegible? I found a Q&A about an illegible newspaper article in the book Prairie Fire, but that isn’t quite the same context, so asking again. | ||
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+ | Here is the more legible letter: | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | Here is the less legible letter: | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: Yes, you can transcribe what is legible and make a note when parts or illegible. | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: Decorative or not? In A Sky-Blue Bench. | ||
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+ | Are these endpaper images decorative or not? While they’re not integrated with the narrative, they do fit with it: the spread on the front endpapers shows a scene before the story, and the spread on the back endpapers shows a scene after the story. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Front: | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | Back: | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: These are non decorative, as they are part of the story as you stated. They show the before and after of the story. | ||
+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: Graphic novel panels or grouped images? In Helen’s Birds | ||
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+ | In Helen’s Birds—which the publisher describes as a “wordless graphic novel” on https:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | Here are the first couple of examples: | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: It is a comic, and will require to be described as such. Please see the RT message I sent you. | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: Just want to check in about this image in You Look Like a Thing and I Love You that we briefly talked about and that I found a similar Q&A for (for the book Nisga' | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: Change '' | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: I just can't decide if these images in You Look Like a Thing and I Love You are images with text or if the text is separate from the image. When I click on them in the PDF, the text and image are highlighted together as though they are one. However, when I tried this trick on another image, it proved to be not such a reliable tool! What do you think? | ||
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+ | The images and text in question as highlighted by the PDF: | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | The other image that showed me not to rely on the PDF's interpretation of what an image is (because these elements obviously belong together): | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: Never rely on a PDF to help you with this, especially one we already know to be this messy. PDF's are very rarely marked up properly, which is why you are finding this inconsitency. You can treat the text for these as separate from the image. | ||
+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: In my long description for this image, do you think the lists of attributes above each character' | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: Really good question. I would go with tables, and you can make the names of the characters both the title and the caption for the table. Just make sure to have a clear header row! | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: Krav Maga often switches between close-ups and non-close-ups, | ||
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+ | A: Camera angles often don't work in most books, unless they are the more common ones (e.g. close up, ariel shot). Even with using the phrase close-up you would need to add more information for the reader to understand what it is a close-up of (a person' | ||
+ | Context is also a big factor! The context of the book is that it is an instructional book on how to practice Krav Maga. This tells us we want to use simple and direct language, and that the important part of the image is the body poses and how they change. | ||
+ | When you are describing an image on its own (not in a sequence), stick to plain direct language. For example: '' | ||
+ | Sometimes the angle is implied in the description. For example, '' | ||
+ | When you are dealing with images that switch camera angles in the sequence, again keep is simple and direct. You can also use film language such as '' | ||
+ | If you have any specific images you are struggling with, please post them here. | ||
+ | I will pull together this information and put it in the glossary for you as well. | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: For this image in The Forest Dwellers, I just can't decide which order the elements should be described in. Here's the image, its caption, and my three drafts. (This is a Human Narration book.) What do you suggest and why? | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | 1. One chimpanzee jumps over another chimpanzee that sits inside an outdoor enclosure. The chimpanzee who jumps spreads its arms wide. The chimpanzee who sits looks up and touches its head with one hand. The enclosure has a wooden frame with wire walls and sits atop a platform. In the background are leafy trees. | ||
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+ | 2. A chimpanzee sits inside an outdoor enclosure while another jumps above it. The chimpanzee who sits looks up and touches its head with one hand. The enclosure has a wooden frame with wire walls and sits atop a platform. The chimpanzee who jumps spreads its arms wide. In the background are leafy trees. | ||
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+ | 3. A chimpanzee sits inside an outdoor enclosure while another jumps above it. The enclosure has a wooden frame with wire walls and sits atop a platform. The chimpanzee who sits inside looks up and touches its head with one hand. The chimpanzee who jumps above it spreads its arms wide. In the background are leafy trees. | ||
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+ | A: Most of these options are good for eText, but since this is for Human Narration, we wanna keep the description to 1-3 sentences so it can fit into the time constraints of the medium. This means we can get ride of some of the details and really narrow it down more. Seems like there are three main things happening in this image to remark on: | ||
+ | * Chimp in square enclosure on a platform | ||
+ | * Chimp jumping over enclosure | ||
+ | * They are outside | ||
+ | |||
+ | We have to sacrifice details to fit into the constraints of Human Narration. This means finer details like the chimps arms and what the cage is made of can be cut and/or combined into one sentence to be clearer and more direct. | ||
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+ | A chimpanzee sits in a square outdoor wire enclosure and looks up as another Chimp jumps overhead [took your option 3 first sentence and added some words]. The enclosure is on a raised wooden platform with leafy trees in the background. [condensed the info about the enclosure and where it is to one sentence]. | ||
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+ | The option above is ideal for Human Narration ID. Let me know if you need more clarification. | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: In 117 Things You Should F*#king Know About the World, there is a topographical map with pretty much no context. It acts as a cover page for Chapter 5: Environment. There is no information about it in Chapter 5. We have already decided its not decorative because it’s cited in the Art Credits section and apparently it gives extra meaning (which I'm not clear on in this case). The book is for a general, adult audience and does not go into detail about any of the 117 topics it covers. | ||
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+ | I can’t figure out how much I need to describe or how to organize it because it’s not focused on anything in particular. I’ve tried by quadrant, I’ve tried three horizontal rows, I’ve tried by design element (e.g. high points, low point, black squares, thick lines, protractor-like thing in the corner)… it all seems messy. What are your thoughts? | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: There is no need for a long description for this one, as the finer details are not important. In this book, these images are there mainly for an additional design element that adds to the experience of reading the book, so only a simple or medium level description is needed. So just a general overview of the image is enough in this case. | ||
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+ | For example: A digital illustration of a topographic map. The ground is a light green with an overlay of swirling dark lines that indicate the shape of the grounds surface and a dotted grid that divides the map into dozens of square areas. | ||
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+ | I can understand why you are struggling with them as being decorative. In this context, they are cited in the book and add to the reading experience. If we removed them the reader would loose access to part of the book. We are not editors, and our aim to reformat the book and keep it as close to possible to the original. | ||
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+ | Q: The book 117 Things You Should F*#king Know about the World has a lot of images that use a red and green colour scheme. In some, the colours match what the images would look like in real life; in others, the colours seem like they are just differentiating elements of the image. | ||
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+ | I understand that we indicate the type of image at the start of the description. Is it more accurate to say a “colour digital illustration” or a “red and green digital illustration” (suggesting use of colour like black and white or sepia-toned images) or something else? I feel like if I call these colour images, that it sets the expectation for full-colour, | ||
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+ | Also, for the images where the red and green is arbitrary, when should I describe which elements are which colour? (Ugh. I've tried rewriting this question several times and even slept on it, and it's still not coming out quite right...) | ||
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+ | Example where the colour makes sense: | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | Example where the colour is arbitrary: | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: Red and Green Illustration is good. This book is mainly this style of illustration, | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: Excel spreadsheets in Teaching Kids to Buy Stocks | ||
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+ | In Appendix B, the author has a few screenshots demonstrating a tutorial on doing basic calculations in Excel. The first image shows the menu bar for Excel, and then the ones after show just the table. I think it would make sense to make a table for the last couple photos, but I'm not sure what to do about the first one with the menu bar. Here's some of the text describing the first image. | ||
+ | |||
+ | For those unfamiliar with Excel, here’s a crash course on basic calculations. | ||
+ | Entering the = sign into a cell lets Excel know you want to do a calculation or reference another cell. | ||
+ | Example: To reference another cell (cell A1), enter “= A1” into another cell. That cell will display the same thing that is displayed in A1. Entering “= A1 + A2” will give you the sum of A1 and A2. This works for addition and subtraction. Use * for multiplication and / for division. | ||
+ | In the following image, you’ll see the calculation for 1% interest in the “formula” window, referencing cell B2 as the beginning value multiplied by .01. | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: These types of descriptions should read like step-by-step instructions that include spatial and navigational information that can aid a screen reader. | ||
+ | |||
+ | You have the right instinct here, and the surrounding text does a lot in this example to tell us what to describe. Remember, context is always key! It is not important to the purpose of this image for the reader to know every single option listed in the screenshot, as it is A) not important to the meaning of the image in this context, and B) would be overwhelming to describe and create a confusing description. The text proceeding the first image reads: '' | ||
+ | * The calculation in the formula window | ||
+ | * The table in the excel sheet | ||
+ | |||
+ | Also, in this example we should use either MathXL or describe the equation in plain language. | ||
+ | |||
+ | If we are going to describe your first example following these guidelines the long description would be something like the following: | ||
+ | |||
+ | Screenshot of an excel spreadsheet. In the formula window the following equation is written: "equal B2 multiplied by 0.01." The data in the table cells are as follows: | ||
+ | |||
+ | [insert accessible table of data] | ||
+ | |||
+ | For the second image with have the text '' | ||
+ | * equation in formula window | ||
+ | * table in excel sheet | ||
+ | |||
+ | Following the same advice we would get a long description like the following: | ||
+ | |||
+ | Screenshot of an excel spreadsheet. In the formula window the following equation is written: "equal B2 plus C2." The data in the table cells are as follows: | ||
+ | |||
+ | [insert table of data] | ||
+ | |||
+ | Follow the same guidelines for all the images in this section. | ||
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+ | Q: Painting Title in The Body Keeps the Score. | ||
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+ | This painting is in Chapter 11. The title of the painting isn't mentioned in the caption or surrounding text, but I found from a Google search it's a famous painting called "A Clinical Lesson at the Salpêtrière" | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: Yes, you can do that. | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: Not sure if need Long Description for a photo in The Body Keeps the Score. | ||
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+ | This photo appears in Chapter 7. Based on the context, it's a photo shown to abused children to record their interpretation of what's happening in the photo. There' | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: Given this context, this image will need a long description. You should start with a general description of the full image (think of it like medium alt-text) to establish the space and generally where things are, but do not go into too much detail. Then divide it into sections, and use meaningful lists for each section to add those finer details. | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: Not sure if I have a cover image for Because They Hate... | ||
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+ | When I open the eBook in Thorium, there is no cover image. However, the Word doc came with a cover image and my Thorium menu shows a thumbnail of that same cover image. Should I still describe it even though it doesn' | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: I downloaded both the EPUB and the DOC file and they have the same cover, so you can describe the cover we have. It is probably a different version of the cover. Books often have different versions of their covers. | ||
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+ | Q: Grouped Images in The Body Keeps the Score. | ||
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+ | For the wiki about Grouped Images, it says they' | ||
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+ | A: I will have to see the images to know the context. Remember, whenever posting a question about an image, please include a screenshot and/or the location in the ebook. See the instructions at the top of the page for more. | ||
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+ | Q: Sorry about that. Here's an example of what I mean. In Chapter 4, there are two images on top of each other with one caption. The images are separate files. I wrote the alt-text treating it like a grouped image, but when it comes to inserting the alt text, I'm not sure if I should just add it to the first image, or split my alt text into two and add it to it's respective image. This is because the images are separate files instead of one file. I hope this clarifies my question. | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: As these are separate image files, you can treat them as such and enter the alt-text for each separately. | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: Speech bubbles in Diary of a Wimpy Kid: Diper Overlode. | ||
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+ | This book has speech bubbles with wavy outlines. In most cases, these wavy bubbles contain only sounds, but occasionally there are full sentences. (Most of the sounds effects are not in bubbles and I have been transcribing them for the full comic experience.) The internet tells me that bubbles of this shape indicate weakness, wariness, unease, or anxiety. Sources: | ||
+ | https:// | ||
+ | https:// | ||
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+ | Two questions: | ||
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+ | 1. How should I describe these in alt-text? What I read in the comics/ graphic novel section is that speech bubbles are described simply by saying, “He says…” and scream bubbles are described simply by saying, “He screams/ shouts…” Can I say that a character “says warily…” or “says with unease”? | ||
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+ | 2. How should I reference these in the production note? I haven’t found a source that gives them an authoritative name like Speech Bubble or Scream Bubble. | ||
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+ | Here's an image that uses one wavy-outlined bubble for singing and one for sound (usually singing is indicated with music notes inside the bubble, but there are some inconsistencies): | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: It would be better to use a more clear and direct word for the reading level, for example '' | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: Diary of a Wimpy Kid, Diper Overlode again. There are quite a number of speech bubbles among these images! Should I be describing the speech bubbles (e.g. A speech bubble over Greg's head reads...)? Or can I just say, "Greg says: | ||
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+ | Now that I type this, I think my second idea is the way to go, but asking anyway... | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: With speak bubbles follow the [[public: | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: For black and white line drawings, like those in Diary of a Wimpy Kid where there is no shading to suggest shades of colour, is it ok to describe things as black or white, rather than dark-coloured or light-coloured? | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: Put in a prod note that described the Illustration and page style (lined pages). There should be a note in the copyright about the style. You can also mention the speech bubbles in the note. | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: In Diary of a Wimpy Kid: Diper Overlode, the narrator (who is also a character in the story) never names himself but he is known from other books in the series and is named in the summary on the back of the book. The first image gives a hint of his name (that' | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: Describe him when you first see him. Only describe his physical appearance again if he changes. You can use his name as he is named in previous books. | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: A two-page spread with inset image in Buffalo Wild! | ||
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+ | In Buffalo Wild!, there is a two-page spread with another image inset on the second page. The text on the second page goes with the inset image. In the alt-text for the second page, can I say something like: "This illustration is a continuation of the one before and there are two images, one on top of the other"? | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: Try: '' | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: Rephrasing my previous question and including the image. | ||
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+ | I'm using the quadrant method to describe this image, and one scene is in the centre and overlaps in each quadrant. I have described the upper left and upper right scenes first, as in reading order. Is it best to then go bottom left and bottom right or clockwise with bottom right then bottom left? I don't want to confuse the reader by going in an order they don't expect. | ||
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+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: Thank you for the image! Yes, for this one you want to start with the center and the clock method for the outer images works in this case. Just make sure you are clear where you are moving next in your description. For example: The top left side, the top right side, the bottom right side, the bottom left side. Let me know if you need more assistance with this one, it is an impressive image. You got this! | ||
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+ | Q: I'm using the quadrant method of describing a complex image in Spirits of the Coast. What order is best to describe the quadrants in: clockwise or in the direction of reading in English? Some scenes in this image overlap quadrants and my description of them will depend a bit on this order. | ||
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+ | A: It depends on the map and how the data is organized. Is it centralized and radiates outward from the central point? Then the clock method works. If not, then the quadrants and/or NWSE methods work. If there is not compass on the map (e.g. it is not clear where NWSE directions are) then us up, down and left, right. I would have to see the image to give an answer. Please always post the image along with your question. | ||
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+ | Q: Images descriptions for book: Teaching to Diversity | ||
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+ | 1) Figure 4.5 includes a figure and a table (See attached image). What is the best practice of describing such an image? | ||
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+ | 2) Figure 4.7 displays a table (See attached image). However, such table is only used to lay out the information without table headers. Should we transcribe this image as a list with nested lists and delete the image? If the image is transcribed as a list and then deleted, there will be no table or figure in the edited Word file for the Figure 4.7. How should we treat the caption “Figure 4.7 MI web of ideas for Unit 1 activities”? | ||
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+ | Q: In The Indians of New Jersey, each chapter begins with a small illustration that includes the first letter of the first word of that chapter. I think the letter on its own would be considered decorative in an eText, so I wonder if I should also ignore it for this human narration alt-text and assume that the human narrator will read the full word. That said, these images aren't always in the right place in the EPUB... | ||
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+ | Here's an example of the illustration style as well the misplacement of the illustration (the illustration should be at the top of this section for the N to complete the word NOW at the top): | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
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+ | A: Yes, these would be considered decorative, so we can remove them. | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
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+ | Q: Alt-text for one-page comic inside text with no other comics. Book: Spirits of the Coast. | ||
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+ | In Spirits of the Coast there is a one-page comic. The section is titled Orcie the Orca, which sounds appropriate to the comic, but the section contains other images as well as an introduction to all of the images as a group. Each panel in the comic is a separate image file. | ||
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+ | I’ve written alt-text in the format for Comics and Graphic Novels, where there is an introductory description for the whole page and then individual descriptions for each image. I’m not sure how to make this fit into the otherwise-non-comic book as it is, but I’ve thought of a couple options: | ||
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+ | 1. Add the introductory alt-text to the start of the description for the first image. | ||
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+ | 2. Turn all six images into one image file and write a long description that describes all images. | ||
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+ | Here's the comic: | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: The image should be one image with a long description. I uploaded the single full image of the comic to Cyberduck> | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | |||
+ | Q: Alt-text for thumbnail images. Book: Spirits of the Coast. | ||
+ | |||
+ | In two sections of this book are thumbnail versions of images that are presented earlier in the book in larger size. I will describe the first ones thoroughly, and understand that for the thumbnails I can just reference the previous ones. But how do I do this? By page numbers make sense in theory, but many of the first, larger versions don’t have page numbers near them. By sections make sense in theory, but there are often more than one in a section. The titles of the images are in their captions, so maybe by section and title/ | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Title/ | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: For Peyakow, I'm reinserting images from the pdf that weren' | ||
+ | 1. I'm wondering how I should insert the images into the edited document. Do I keep the same layout as the original? Or can I add them one after another since they each have their own captions and don't seem to grouped together meaningfully? | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | 2. The pages of images are found in the middle of a chapter and interrupts the text midway. Should I add a heading to indicate this is a section with just images? | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Simply order them one after the other down the page. No need to add a heading. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: Keep a decorative image in because it’s referenced later? In Spirits of the Coast. | ||
+ | |||
+ | The Title Page in the PDF has illustrations behind the text. I think they are decorative, so removed them. But turns out they are vaguely referenced in the Artists’ Statements section at the end of the book. The artist who created the cover (which I will definitely keep and describe) also created the title page images. None of them are explicitly referenced in the text but there are thumbnails for both in this section. Should I keep the title page images since they are (sort of) referred to later? Should I remove both the title page images and the later thumbnail to avoid confusion? | ||
+ | |||
+ | Here are the images. Title page images in first screenshot; Artists' | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: In the top two images, it looks like there is a half-tile page and a title page. You only have to keep the second one. Normally, we could remove these images, but in this case as they are referenced again, you can keep them. On how to describe them, please refer to the wiki page on [[public: | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: " | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: So this is actually not a table, as it had no heading row. All Tables require a heading row. The publisher used a table for layout, so we will have to reformat this as a list. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Format '' | ||
+ | * Activities | ||
+ | * Listen to music or ride my bike [Image with simple Alt-text. E.g. Icon of person walking forward] | ||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | |||
+ | Q: Question about the images in the poetry: Blue Marrow | ||
+ | |||
+ | There are several images in the book (i.e., on pages of 7, 10, 17, 27, 33, 39, 45, 58, 64, 71, 86, and 97 in the PDF file). I am not quite sure if they are decorative images. It seems they are decorative images because no surrounding text talks about them. Could we replace them with context breaks? | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: In this case none of them are decorative. If you are not sure where to start with describing them, let me know. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | Q: Additional questions about the text messages in Ghost Lake. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Is it helpful to describe which side of the page the bubble is on or which side of the bubble its tail is on? Or does describing the differing colours make it clear enough who is speaking? | ||
+ | |||
+ | Many messages don't have punctuation, | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Great question, and it depends on if you are doing just Alt-text or a Long Description. Remember, we want to stick to the facts and keep it direct and simple. It might be easier not to describe the shades to make it more direct. What do the shades and direction of the bubbles tell us? Answer: Who is taking when. So we can take that knowledge and create a description that is about the conversation and leave out the colours and bubble directions as it just weighs it down. | ||
+ | |||
+ | For the ones that are just one or two text bubbles, just do Alt Text. You can add punctuation to help create pauses. In the original it was line breaks that create pauses, but since we can not have line breaks in Alt-text we can use punctuation. For example: | ||
+ | |||
+ | '' | ||
+ | |||
+ | For the ones that are three or more text bubbles, you should do a Long Description. I would also add punctuation to avoid any confusion. | ||
+ | |||
+ | You do not transcribe the text at all into the Alt-text, only into the long description section of the eText. For example: | ||
+ | |||
+ | Alt-Text: '' | ||
+ | |||
+ | Long Description: | ||
+ | |||
+ | '' | ||
+ | |||
+ | " | ||
+ | " | ||
+ | " | ||
+ | |||
+ | <note tip>If it is clear from the surrounding text who is talking for which text bubble, then you can use their name instead of "First Person" | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | |||
+ | Q: When the image in the PDF and the Word doc don't match. | ||
+ | |||
+ | I have two more instances of mismatched images in this book. I'm guessing we honor the original PDF over the word doc that we are given, but I don't know how to do that when images are different or missing from the word doc. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Example 1: Each chapter in the PDF has full page images behind the text of the first page of the chapter. In the word doc, the image is different and the title is repeated beneath it. One chapter in the word doc doesn' | ||
+ | |||
+ | PDF chapter heading image: | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | Word doc chapter heading image: | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | Example 2: The text refers to a business card and then there is a picture below. In the PDF, this is appears as a grey box with text inside it. It in the word doc, the grey box is several paragraphs away from the text, which appears as body text. Here are images: | ||
+ | |||
+ | PDF: | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | Word doc (after I moved the box closer to the text it goes with): | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | A: Those images of the chapter headings can just be deleted. The text for the heading is directly below they, so simply style that text as the proper heading level. The way the text converted for the business card is fine as it is, just delete that black rectangle. | ||
+ | |||
+ | I also noticed while looking at this file that the images are all floating and sometimes they are in the wrong spot. When you are replacing the decorative images that are used as content breaks, make sure to double check the PDF to ensure you are putting the horizontal line in the right spot. See the video I sent via RT for further instructions. | ||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | |||
+ | Q: Question about formatting of text message exchanges. Book is Ghost Lake. | ||
+ | |||
+ | I'm not sure if this is a Production Q or Alt-text Q! In the original PDF, there are images of bubbles representing text messages. In the word doc, these messages are individual lines of text, not images. How do I format/ style these to show they are messages and to show they are written by two different people? (I found instructions about writing alt-text for images of text, but I'm not sure if that applies since they aren't images in the word doc.) | ||
+ | |||
+ | PDF: | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | Word doc (the wide grey rectangle is a page break): | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Update: When images do not render properly and convert wrong, you can use the screen shot method from [[public: | ||
+ | Alt-text for most of these can be something like: '' | ||
+ | |||
+ | For the larger images of a text conversation you can do a long description so you can use paragraph breaks to separate the responses. For how to set up a Long Description section in a book see [[public: | ||
+ | |||
+ | For the actual description it can be something like: | ||
+ | |||
+ | [Alt-text] Text message conversation. See the link below the image for an extended description. | ||
+ | |||
+ | [Long Desc.]Text message conversation. The text reads: | ||
+ | [then transcribe the conversation in order within quotation marks with paragraph breaks between each response] | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | |||
+ | Q: Working on the young adult fiction book The Abyss Surrounds Us. Between the dedication and the first chapter is a map. The map is untitled but does have several locations marked that I can guess it is of the area where the novel takes place. | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Simply " | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | |||
+ | Q: I think an edit needs to be made to a link on the wiki... On the page [[public: | ||
+ | A: This should be fixed. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q:Working on an audiobook title "The Coconut Bunny Butt Caper" | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Decorative images don't need to be described. | ||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: If the exact same image appears again later in a text, does it need to be re-described, | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Great question! I added a section to the wiki about how to deal with repeated images on the [[public: | ||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: " | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | I'm a little stumped on how to approach these, especially the overlayed photographs. For the filled traditional images, I'm thinking I should start with the shape, then move into the fillers? | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Great question. So these can be described as collages. You can set it up with something like: "A collage of translucent images layered on top of each other." | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: "Dear Peter, Dear Ulla" has a couple of images that are meant to have been drawn by a child. The text explains what they' | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | The text immediately afterwards explains that the drawing is of a German warship. To me, that isn't obvious just looking at the image. Should I break it down by part, or can I summarize it as a drawing of a ship before jumping into details? | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: When asking questions about context and surrounding text, it is helpful to include the surrounding text. The only text that is clearly about the image is as follows: | ||
+ | |||
+ | '' | ||
+ | Hello from the basement! Do you like my evil ship? Please | ||
+ | note its gigantic smokestack nostrils. (Minus the nose hairs. | ||
+ | I couldn’t figure out how to do nose hairs on a ship.) What a | ||
+ | noise this monster made very early on our twelfth birthday.'' | ||
+ | |||
+ | Given this context we know the following: | ||
+ | * that is is a hand drawing of an evil ship included in the letter | ||
+ | * The drawing is by Ulla | ||
+ | * The ship as gigantic smokestack nostrils (though we don't know //what// this looks like) | ||
+ | |||
+ | There is not enough there to say it is described in the surround text. There is no visual information other than its a drawing that involves smokestack nostrils. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Summarizing sentence would be something like: '' | ||
+ | |||
+ | Remember, we are replacing images with text. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: On the first pages in "The Lotterys Plus One," there are two images I'm not sure they are decorative and should be removed. Please see below. | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | A: The tree should stay, as the surrounding text talks about trees. The butterflies are decorative. | ||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: In the short story 'The Entertainer' | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Great question! It all comes down to context. At first glance, this may appear decorative, but you will note the images occur only at the beginning of some sections. This is the first indicator that this is not decorative, and holds meaning to the story. Then next question is to ask: "How much meaning?" | ||
+ | |||
+ | The beginning of the story reads as follows: | ||
+ | |||
+ | '' | ||
+ | |||
+ | I haven’t even started yet, but I can tell you what’s going to happen during the performance and how it will end. The first three bars will be no problem. It even says you should play them “not fast,” so I will roll through nice and even, right to left, down and down and down, before I drop straight into the signature theme. Then the moment of recognition will arrive, and all the people here will make the connection at the same time: Oh yeah, they’ll think, this is “The Entertainer.” And they’ll all have the same expectations for what’s coming next, especially the middle sections where you need to be so quick and clear and precise. Those are the parts they’ll be looking forward to, the famous turns and switchbacks, | ||
+ | |||
+ | Given this context, now we know the following is important: | ||
+ | * "not fast" annotation | ||
+ | * intro into signature theme | ||
+ | * middle sections with the famous turns and switchbacks | ||
+ | |||
+ | Another thing we can do is talk to someone who knows how to read music. Lucky for us, our Braille Coordinator, | ||
+ | |||
+ | Fun fact, the Entertainer has been written as numerous " | ||
+ | |||
+ | A possible intro could be: | ||
+ | |||
+ | '' | ||
+ | |||
+ | Then go into describing how the notes read in order. Include the note name and octave. so like A2 or F#4, and then the note length. Remember when it goes into the signature theme, and where those switchbacks are. I would also look up the if anyone has describe the song, even in review or lessons, could help you find words to describe it. There are some links in a question below on how to identify parts of the music sheet, the help you identify some of those notes. I also asked Riane if she has any other resources. This is an example where we have to do a bit of research, talk to a few people with more knowledge on the subject, and then start with a really rough draft and edit it down. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Focus on getting the note names, octaves and lengths correct and in order first, then work on filling in other details (like where the switchbacks are), then edit it for clarity. Feel free to send me a draft as you work. I recommend a google doc for ease of editing and comments. Riane also offered to take a look. | ||
+ | |||
+ | You got this! | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | |||
+ | Q: Just a basic question -- is it too informal to refer to a picture in the alt-text as a selfie? | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Great question! And it all comes down to context! Is it clear from the surrounding text, where the picture is (genre, audience, etc.), that it is indeed a selfie? You would still need to give more details (angle, facial expression, gender, skin tone, age, what they are wearing, etc..) So the short answer, it depends on context. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: Myths and Legends of the World has a lot of Images Across 2 Pages. I understand how to describe these per the wiki page, however I'm wondering if there is ever a case where it makes more sense to insert a screenshot (.png) of the full-width image instead and describe it as one image. Is it a disruptive experience for so many images to be described as two when a more holistic impression could be given to the readers by only having a single image? | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | (In the examples above, the image on the left is selected to indicate there are two images here. When not selected, the image is seamless and could be used for a screenshot. However, if described as two images they will of course go on their own lines.) | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Good question. This book has a mixture of different types of spreads that are dependent on the context. For images like your examples, the image is mainly on one page and overlaps over to the next only slightly. In these cases you can combine the image into one. On pages where the images go straight across the page with text on each page, then you treat them as physically separate and follow the guidelines for descriptions. This means we are keeping the book as close to the original as possible and are following copyright law. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: Another questions about " | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: The surrounding text does a good job saying what the image represents, but not what is in the image itself. Remember, image descriptions are replacing images with text, so it is describing literally what you see and objectively. This image would be something like: The music sheet for the first part of Summertime...then break down each part of the image into logical smaller parts and describe in order using the appropriate language for reading music sheets. I found a few websites that define the different parts. [[https:// | ||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: I'm working on the narration project "Truth Lies and Herasey" | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: We try to avoid long descriptions for Audiobooks, as there is no way to make the description skippable at this time. This image is highly complex, so the long description would end up being very long. I would suggest a middle ground. Describe the cover in a broader description, | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: I'm working on the narration project for "A wholesome horror" | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Good Question. Please describe the image and transcribe the text. | ||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: The document for Invisible Ink—a Human Narration project—has all the image files in the reverse order from how they appear in the book. Should I put the images in order? (Is this technically an alt-text question or should I move it to general Q&A?) | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Oh no! That is my bad and I apologize. Yes, reorder the images so the narrator can read them in the right order. I will be more careful moving forward. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: Struggling with this one too (Truth Lies and Hearsy). I can't figure out how to write that some things are in rectangles. Like the title is in a purple rectangle at the top. But that's super awkward. There are a lot of covers in this book and they' | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | Here's what I have so far: | ||
+ | Book cover titled: ‘Combo-Orks for Small Dance Bands No. 1’ by Robbins Music Corporation. The title is at the top written in block white letters over a purple rectangle. A paper with the bottom rolled up drops from the rectangle. A purple shadow is under the roll in the bottom right corner. On the paper, the text reads: ‘Eb – Book or Alto Sax, Baritone Sax, mellophone. BB – Book for Trumpet, Clarinet, Tenor Sax. C – Book For Piano, Guitar, Bass, Accordion, Organ, Trombone, Violin, C Melody Sax, Flute, Oboe. Every number complete with melody, harmony, and chord-names. Arranged as solo, duet, and 3-way (trio) chorus in each book. Playable by any combination of lead instruments. Contents: Diane, Charmaine, At Sundown, Sleepy Time Gal, Don’t Blame Me, Once in a While, Sweet and Lovely, When You Wore a Tulip, Do You Ever Think of Me, I’ll See You In My Dreams, The Darktown Strutters’ Ball, I’m Always Chasing Rainbows, I’m in the Mood for Love, You Were Meant for Me, I Don’t Know Why, Over the Rainbow, Peg O’ My Heart, MY Blue Heaven, I Cried for You, Linger Awhile, Blue Moon, Ramona, Honey’. | ||
+ | |||
+ | The transcription is the long part. | ||
+ | |||
+ | I'm really not in love at all with how I wrote this alt text but I also can't figure out how to describe the rolled up paper... I thought maybe scroll-like but it isn't a scroll. I don't know. Any advice on how to fix it up? Working on making it technical but so far it seems more narrative. | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: That description is fine! Maybe tweak the beginning to say "The title is **along** the top in white text over a purple rectangle ...." You don't have to transcribe everything on the cover given the context. This one is a bit of a judgement call. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | Q: I'm really struggling with how to write alt text for this. I've left it and come back to it several times (from Truth Lies and Heasy). | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | So far I have: A record from the Decca Personality Series for the song ‘Open the Door, Richard!’ by Louis Jordan. A yellow circle over a black background. | ||
+ | |||
+ | I was thinking to add "text inside the circle reads:" | ||
+ | |||
+ | I'm not even sure if I'm using the correct terminology. Help please and thank you! | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: That would not be redundant, it is being concise. Just needs a bit of tweaking. Maybe: "The centre label of a record from the Decca Personality Series for the song ‘Open the Door, Richard!’ by Louis Jordan. The label is a yellow circle over a black background. Text inside the circle reads: ...." | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: General question, but especially relevant to biography/ | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Good question! This will be dependant on context. Does the book talk about the person using their first name only? Last name only? Is it a book about athletes? Athletes are often talked about with last name only. Is it a celebrity who is always named with their full name? Then use their full name. Is a name in the caption? The most important thing is to make sure that it is clear in the description who you are referring to. There are no hard and fast rules on this other than matching the context, being clear, and never name a character/ | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: Just started on Invisible Ink, which is a Human Narration project. There are a couple letters that will need to be transcribed. Do I just transcribe them word for word (the epub original text has introductory remarks on both)? Are we able to use quotation marks (which are not allowed in traditional alt-text entries because of how they affect final coding)? Is it okay to use paragraph breaks? | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: What is the context? Same rules apply in description. Is it important for the reader to have access to all the text in the image? If so then fully transcribe following the rules of Images of Text. For example: the first letter the author states the important of the letter then states they are sharing it with the reader and ends that sentence with a colon, but none of the letter is transcribed in the surrounding text. These are all indicators that in this context the letter needs to be fully transcribed as it is important to the context of the book and without it the reader will be losing important information. You don't have to use quotation marks unless you think it will help the narrator or is part of the original (remember a person is reading this into a recording for an audiobook version of this book.) To continue with the example above, you can start the description with a phrase like '' | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: Working on Only Make Believe and I have come across a small snag: | ||
+ | |||
+ | There is a chapter FULL of images. Super cool. BUT. Some of them look like this and they did not separate during conversion: | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | My solution looks a little sloppy but... works(ish? | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: This is the best you will get it, unless you screenshot it as one large photo and describe as two images in one description. It is a scan from print, so we are limited on what we can do with the images. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: I'm finished Copeaux. Before I submit, I'm not sure what the rules are now that we keep cover images. What happens when the cover has no image? We just skip it right? I wanted to make sure before I did so. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Example: | ||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Just use a simple description. What visually stands out? For example something like: Title: ' | ||
+ | ----- | ||
+ | Q: There are also some racist and stereotypical images in this book that may be triggering (example: cartoon of John A. MacDonald standing over an Indigenous family, waving his baton at them and forcing them into the Pacific Ocean. In this image the Indigenous adults have traditional headdresses and cloaks on and were given no face. Additionally, | ||
+ | |||
+ | Also, I don't quite know how to describe the way their faces were coloured in without being offensive or triggering. Could I get some ideas to bounce off of? | ||
+ | |||
+ | Here is the image: | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | What I have so far: | ||
+ | |||
+ | A black and white cartoon shows John A. MacDonald, who stands near the edge of land, leading an army of white men in business suits. He stands tall over an Indigenous family, and points his baton at them. Two adults stand cowering, with a small child behind them, who holds a baby. They wear feather headdresses, | ||
+ | |||
+ | I have been really struggling with this one. Thanks for the help! | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: So this is a great example of context! This is a history book that is about a very dark time in Canada' | ||
+ | "" | ||
+ | |||
+ | I now know more about the context of this book. First, it is a history book about the Métis Rebellion and aims to give a fuller context from the Métis perspective. This includes the way Colonialists treated them at this time. Second, I know this is cartoon that is used in this book to showcase the racism and hatred towards the Métis and other Indigenous people at that time as explained in the caption. The writer' | ||
+ | |||
+ | I also know that to give a good image description I can not censor, and I have to remain objective so the reader can come to their own conclusions. The below revisions allow for the reader to have the same reaction you had to the image while remaining objective. | ||
+ | |||
+ | "A black and white cartoon shows John A. MacDonald leading an army of white men in business suits towards a small family of Indigenous people who huddle at the edge of a cliff on a shoreline of a large body of water. Text over the water reads: " | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | |||
+ | Q: I'm working on Sapiens and there are some borderless maps that are giving me some trouble. The maps are referring to very early time periods, but for clarity I feel like I need to refer to them in modern day terms (i.e. modern day Spain). Additionally, | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | Long Description: | ||
+ | A map of the Eastern Hemisphere depicting the spread of Christianity and Islam. A legend describes two types of shading indicating “Islam after 1000” and “Christianity 500-1500” as well as a line indicating “The Muslim Caliphate at its peak”. | ||
+ | The “Islam after 1000” area covers modern day Spain, Northern and Eastern Africa, and parts of Asia including Central Asia, South Asia, Malaysia, and Indonesia. | ||
+ | The “Christianity 500-1500” area covers Europe, Northern Africa, the southwest corner of Asia (including Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and Turkey), and parts of modern-day Sudan, Eritrea, and Ethiopia. | ||
+ | The line labeled “The Muslim Caliphate at its peak” encompasses Northern Africa, and Southwestern Asia. | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: This is a good description, | ||
+ | |||
+ | A map of the Eastern Hemisphere depicts the spread of Christianity and Islam. The legend indicates areas shaded with red dots for “Islam after 1000” and areas shaded in solid yellow for “Christianity 500-1500”. A blue line indicate the border area of “The Muslim Caliphate at its peak”. There are no borders or labels on the map. | ||
+ | The “Islam after 1000” area covers: | ||
+ | * modern day Spain | ||
+ | * Northern and Eastern Africa | ||
+ | * Northwestern parts of Asia including: | ||
+ | * Central Asia | ||
+ | * South Asia | ||
+ | * Malaysia | ||
+ | * and Indonesia. | ||
+ | The “Christianity 500-1500” area covers: | ||
+ | * modern day Europe | ||
+ | * Northern Africa | ||
+ | * Southwestern corner of Asia including: | ||
+ | * Egypt | ||
+ | * Lebanon | ||
+ | * Syria | ||
+ | * and Turkey | ||
+ | * Modern-day Sudan (be more specific that ' | ||
+ | * Eritrea | ||
+ | * and Ethiopia. | ||
+ | The blue line labeled “The Muslim Caliphate at its peak” encompasses: | ||
+ | * Northern Africa | ||
+ | * and Southwestern Asia. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: I am working on Prairie Fire and saw this image that I have to write alt-text for. I'm unsure of how to write alt-text for this... I can't read most of the words. Is this considered complex alt-text? I don't even know where to start... | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: So this falls under the '' | ||
+ | |||
+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: I'm working on the comic pages for Mermaids in "Angel Wing Splash Pattern" | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Describe it as you see it in the image only. If it is clear in the image or surrounding images that it is blood, then describe it as such. | ||
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+ | Q: I'm currently working on "Angel Wing Splash Pattern" | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: You did it correctly. The smiley face in the original is stylized, the unicode version is accessible to screen readers. It is okay if it looks differently, | ||
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+ | Q: I'm working on Kamik Takes the Lead and near the end, I'm not sure if the last three images are part of the story or decorative? The story just sort of... doesn' | ||
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+ | Image 1: | ||
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+ | Image 2: | ||
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+ | Image 3: | ||
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+ | A: Good Question! So all those yellow pages can be removed, they are just decorative. I would still describe the other two images at the end. They only need simple Alt-text. | ||
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+ | Q: I am currently working on I Will Dance and I swear I have tried to edit this image a few times but I can't figure out how to condense this into something with less words? It's such a busy image but I don't want to just say "Kids and adults stand in a circle" | ||
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+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: I can not read that screenshot, please email me the alt-text in a doc file so I can properly read it and provide feedback. | ||
+ | |||
+ | UPDATE: I looked at your description and the book, and one thing I noticed is that it is the same characters over and over again. When there are repeated characters you only have describe them the first time you see them, and then you just have to describe what is different (or if nothing is different, just mention them by name.) If the characters are never named then refer to them by a feature that stands out and is consistent (the girl in a wheelchair, the boy in the green hat, the girl with the pigtails.) Remember to always start big and go small. The first sentence describes the entire image. Example: "The kids form a circle and look around at each other." | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: I have a couple of questions regarding "The Beach Is Loud" and children' | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: To describe the image, set it up to explain it is an image in 3 parts as in your first example. Remember when you are describing images for Children' | ||
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+ | Images in Children' | ||
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+ | Q: I'm working on the picture book "Do Not Eat The Game" (which is a super cute book!). Because the book talks about games, the illustrator put the images in a game board track, so there are often multiple image panels on a page, sort of like a comic book! There are two spreads in the book where there is a long panel that crosses two pages, plus smaller panels on the bottom that shows a sequence of events. I have an idea of how to tackle an image that extends over two pages, but I'm struggling with these spreads because my continuous description is interrupted by the sequence panels... can I describe the top panel fully in my first description, | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: You could tackle this like a comic, but a little differently. Instead of panels, I would call them squares, to imitate game lingo. I would tackle this like a comic, but slightly differently. We should set up a meeting to discuss this. | ||
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+ | Q: Another question for the I Will Dance book. After the story is over, there is the Message from the Author, a part of the book about Young Dance, a random image (pictured below) and then the Back Cover page. What do I do with this random image? It's not part of the story, it's not part of the back cover, I have no idea what to put as the header or if I should keep it? | ||
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+ | {{: | ||
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+ | A: Image is decorative, so it can be removed. Remember that all decorative images can be removed. | ||
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+ | Q: I am currently working on "This Beach is Loud!" and it seems that the only that was extracted during the conversion process was the cover page. I have followed the wiki steps for extracting images using both ecancrusher and the mac terminal, but all the pages were extracted as full two-page spreads. I have also noticed that the words on the pages were extracted as separate images from the main image. Should I still use the two-page spreads for the images or can you please advise on how to properly separate the pages within the image? Also, can the images still be used if the words have been extracted from the image? Here is an example of the extracted image | ||
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+ | {{: | ||
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+ | Edit: There seems to be a problem with the sound for these links. There is a lot of static and the narration cannot be heard. Can you please re-record the videos. Thank you. Answer: Ironically there is a loud audio corruption on a book call The Beach is Loud! I updated the links below. Please let me know if you need anything else! | ||
+ | |||
+ | A:You don't have to worry about the words, they converted to the Word doc. When you clear formatting you can modify the Normal style as demonstration in this video: | ||
+ | Fixed layout often convert into two page layouts, and that is fine. You will need to crop the images. See this demonstration in this video: | ||
+ | Here is the link a tool to help you crop the images: [[https:// | ||
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+ | Q:I'm having some trouble with a complex image in Satan is a socialist (in chapter 6). Specifically I'm getting stuck on how/where to describe the arrows because I can't figure out if they' | ||
+ | |||
+ | • 1600 | ||
+ | o Pro-America | ||
+ | 1620 Plymouth Colony | ||
+ | o Anti-America | ||
+ | 1607 Jamestown Settlement | ||
+ | |||
+ | As I've considered the arrows I wondered if I should describe them and their locations after the list, or if I should somehow integrate them into the list of events that I already have. Thanks for all your help with this title. | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Looks like this is a comparative chart contrasting the pro/anti Americas. This can be a table with the heading being the Era, Pro America, Anti America. The first column would have the era (1600s) followed by the Pro/Anti info. If there is more than one comparison in an era just have multiple rows for that era. | ||
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+ | Q:For this image in Satan is a Socialist (chapter 8), there is a footnote in the image, specifically the subtitle. Is it appropriate for me to attach the footnote to the image as a whole? | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Add the title as a caption to the image and add the footnote to the caption. This way you are able to add the footnote to the correct phrase and it will be more clear to the reader. | ||
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+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | Q: One more for " | ||
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+ | {{: | ||
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+ | A: It is not always necessary to include the title, author, editor or illustrator when describing a cover, but you can if you choose. In this case you are describing the font, so it is helpful to state the title again. Always break down an image and describe it in a logical sequence. I am presuming you are talking about the illustrator' | ||
+ | * Title, author, illustrator. e.g. " | ||
+ | * Describe font. e.g. Title is in large yellow font across the space of the cover with the words ' | ||
+ | * Describe Hamster. e.g. Hamster jumps through title ... go into details of Hamster | ||
+ | |||
+ | EDIT Q2: I was talking more about the photo of the Author (Jonathan Van News) at the top. He's holding his hand to his face? I wasn't going to describe the actual text, but I'm wondering if I have to if the author' | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Author image is decorative. Do not include in description. | ||
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+ | Q: Another question for " | ||
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+ | {{: | ||
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+ | A: This is a children' | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: I am working on " | ||
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+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: This can happen if the original was a Fixed Layout ebook. Follow images of text guidelines and transcribe the section. | ||
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+ | Q: I am currently working on writing long descriptions for some letters in "Until We Are Free." In the new video on how to insert bookmarks and return links, it states that the bookmark should be inserted at the start of the text following the image. The section I am working on though does not have any body text in between the images, | ||
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+ | A: Bookmarks for Return links are inserted at the image always. The documentation | ||
+ | For the Return Link Bookmark: | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Locate the image for your complex description | ||
+ | * Highlight the image | ||
+ | * Go to the Insert Menu | ||
+ | * Locate the Links Section | ||
+ | * Select Bookmark | ||
+ | * A popup window will appear | ||
+ | * In the Bookmark name field enter an identifying name for the image, so you know what image goes with what description. | ||
+ | * NOTE: It must have no spaces | ||
+ | * Example: ReturntoMapManitobaVehicles | ||
+ | * Select Add | ||
+ | * You now have a bookmark for your return link! | ||
+ | |||
+ | The tutorial is out of date, and I will updated it accordingly so it shows you that the bookmark goes to the image, not the text. | ||
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+ | ---- | ||
+ | Q: I am currently working on " | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Edit Here are the two images | ||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Thank you for the edit with the images! I think you are right in your first thought: transcribe it into one long description with a note in the Alt-text for the second image that the transcription is in the previous long description. This also matches the workflow for how to describe images that go over two pages. Let me know if you need any more clarification or guidance on this one. | ||
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+ | Q: I'm working on Kamloopa and there are a couple of images for which alt-text has already been completed (by the publisher I'm assuming?). Can I alter their alt text to better fit our standards, or should I leave as is? I wasn't sure if this would be considered " | ||
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+ | A: Many of these images are images of text in Fixed Layout format (i.e. the entire page is rendered as a single image.) These are inaccessible, | ||
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+ | Q: I am currently working on " | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Great question. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Context is always key when you are working with images, as the context will help you judge how much to describe, and what to describe. If the content of these newspaper clippings (articles ads etc.) are essential to the story, then they will need to be transcribed in a complex image description. Only if the it is an image of a word or phase do we transcribe and remove the image, images of newspaper clippings and ads are treated as images with text. Remember, if it is an ad then you need to also describe any images in the adds. You can use the complex description workflow. As stated on the [[public: | ||
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+ | Q: I'm having some trouble with this image in the prologue of "Dream First Details later. I was doing some searching on alt-text for flow charts and this link (https:// | ||
+ | {{ : | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: A nested list is the correct way to logically describe this image, some flowcharts are more complex than others so it is okay if you it has more than 3 levels. Judging from this image it looks like the longest Yes Train is 5 levels, and then is gets shorter after that. Start with the first question, follow the 5 yes's, then follow the one no in a nested list, then go to the next question and repeat. | ||
+ | |||
+ | e.g. | ||
+ | Title: "How to Embark ..." | ||
+ | |||
+ | A guide by.... | ||
+ | |||
+ | Yellow Arrow Label Reads: "Start Here" at the first question. Each Question can lead to different outcomes as described below: | ||
+ | |||
+ | First question: "?" | ||
+ | - If " | ||
+ | - If "yes then Q: | ||
+ | - If "yes then Q: | ||
+ | - If "yes then Q: | ||
+ | - If "yes then Q: | ||
+ | - If " | ||
+ | |||
+ | Second Question: "?" | ||
+ | |||
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+ | Q: I'm not sure how to write Alt Text for this. This example happens twice within the book. The top part " | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{: | ||
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+ | A: This one is very tricky. I looked throughout the text and this seems to be a pattern. Could you pass me back this title and I will share it with our testers to see what we could potentially do to make these images. Sometimes FXL layout is not convertible to reflowable text, I will keep you posted on this. | ||
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+ | Q: I have a question about how to approach the alt-text for images of math equations (regarding the title Fight Like a Physicist). Is there a tool/method for transcribing the equations for the alt-text? Some of the equations are relatively short, whereas others are more complex. Contextually, | ||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Good question. Use Insert / Equation and use Word’s Equation editor to build an expression, which will be stored in the document as OOML. To learn more about inserting equations check out the [[https:// | ||
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+ | Q: I have a question about the tables in Gifted Education. In Chapter 1, there are two tables, labeled Figure 1 and Figure 2. The first table is quite complex with sub-sections and annotations so I thought it would be best do leave it as an image and do a complex image description. Do you think that's best? For the second table, Figure 2, it's not as complex but still more complex that a basic table. For this one, I'm unsure whether I should also do a complex image description or if I should delete the image and reproduce it broken up into several smaller tables? | ||
+ | |||
+ | Figure 1: | ||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | Figure 2: | ||
+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Good questions. In cases like this it is important to ask what these are for. It seems like these are examples of forms, and not tabular data that needs to be read in detail by the reader. In this case I would suggest doing a complex description for the forms, and remember to call them forms and not tables. The tables in these forms are there as layout design and not as tabular data. | ||
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+ | Q: I have a question about The Pencil, an illustrated children' | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: For any images that ever need edits of this nature, please send the Production Coordinator a message in the RT of the ticket to get the images for you. In this a case it should be okay. If we hit any issues during conversion I will let you know | ||
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+ | Q: The book I am working on now, Elric: The Fortress of the Pearl by Michael Moorcock, has a map which has been split across two pages. However, in the PDF version, the map is incomplete; it appears in the scanning process, or however this book was digitized, it cut off what would be the middle of the map. How should I approach writing a description for the map? | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: We will have to make due with what we have, as there are no digital versions of this title. Just describe what you can. | ||
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+ | Q: I have a question about how to handle an image in the book Leaving a Legacy. There is a rating scale from 1 to 5 in the text that is presented as an image. I'm considering a few different ways to handle this but I thought the following would be the simplest. Is this okay? (Or should I delete the image, insert the same image as a .jpg, and then enter alt-text for the image?) (Or, if I go with the option below, do I need to make my text replacement a Prod Note since it's my words and not the author'? | ||
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+ | A: This is answered on the Alt-Text page [[public: | ||
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+ | Q: Hi, I'm working on A Year on the Wild Side and its complex image descriptions. I have finished moving all of the image descriptions to the end under the heading " | ||
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+ | {{: | ||
+ | |||
+ | I've searched the top menus for a way to " | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: So you are not inserting a highlight, you are inserting a hyperlink. I fixed the Documentation to state Hyperlink, sorry about that confusion. | ||
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+ | Q: I'm trying to add alt-text to the tables in His Needs, Her Needs but the area where I type the alt-text is greyed out: | ||
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+ | {{: | ||
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+ | I'm using the newest version of Word and I tried closing it and reopening it but it's still greyed out. Any suggestions? | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Try saving the document as .docx and it should work. If you have done this and still have problems please let me know. | ||
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+ | Q: What about emoticons? The book I'm working on quotes an email that uses ; - ) to represent a winky face emoticon. Should I leave it as is? I'm tempted to replace it with [winky face] so that it makes more sense when read by a screen reader. | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Great question. You should replace it with a proper emoticon symbol, since we don't want to change the original too much and people who have partial sight do read our books. TTS can read emoticons, and you should treat them like other symbols and enter them in using Unicode. The directions on how to set up Unicode are on the [[public: | ||
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Q: Hello! I have a question about an image in the book I'm working on, " | Q: Hello! I have a question about an image in the book I'm working on, " | ||
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- | A: Maps are challenging for anyone. | + | A: Maps are challenging for anyone. |
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Q: In Appendix B of His Needs, Her Needs, there is a 10 page questionnaire but each page is an image file that contains text, not actually text. Am I right that I should transcribe the text from each image and then delete the image files? | Q: In Appendix B of His Needs, Her Needs, there is a 10 page questionnaire but each page is an image file that contains text, not actually text. Am I right that I should transcribe the text from each image and then delete the image files? | ||
- | A: In this instance the context is critical to understanding the book, and should be transcribed, | + | A: In this instance the context is critical to understanding the book, and should be transcribed, |
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For further exploration: | For further exploration: | ||
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+ | Q: In the book One Good Reason, there are two authors who take turns telling their stories. There is an image at the beginning of each chapter indicating which author is speaking: a guitar if it's Sean and a heart if it's Andrea. Since they' | ||
+ | |||
+ | A: Great Question! In this case, since they bring meaning to the text you should keep them and add simple Alt-Text. For example "An acoustic guitar representing Sean." | ||
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+ | Q: We Rise Again has captions referring to image collages and images spread over multiple pages. I'll post two examples below. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Should I crop out all the individual photos? How would I proceed to caption these images? | ||
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+ | A: The images will need to be cropped and described each separately. A lot of these fall into the Group of Images category, meaning they are similar images with only small changes. In those cases only fully describe the first image and then describe what changes in the following images. Place them all in a logical reading order. Start at the top and move left and order them that way. If there is a clear focus image (bigger than the others) then that can go first in reading order. | ||
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+ | As for the captions, it seems like there is a lot of inconsistency. A lot of this will be a bit of a judgement call based on what the captions say, and what will make them the most accessible. | ||
+ | Do the following: | ||
+ | * For captions that say "This Page" and they refer to a group of images, move the caption to the first image and remove "this page" | ||
+ | * For captions that say "this Page" but clearing describe one image clearly, move them to that image | ||
+ | * For captions that refer to left or right, put the caption below the image and remove reference to left or right | ||
+ | * for captions that refer to top and bottom, you can move to the last image and keep the captions as is | ||
+ | * For captions that are just long quotes, remove from caption and style as body text below the image | ||
+ | |||
+ | There are a couple outliers to the above, as this book is not consistent with its formatting. These will require a judgement call, remember we are making this accessible. So ask yourself if it would be more accessible as body text or if it is okay as a caption. | ||
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