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====== Poetry ====== | ====== Poetry ====== | ||
For the most part, poetry is marked up the same way as other text. | For the most part, poetry is marked up the same way as other text. | ||
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Poetry is an artistic medium, so we retain direct formatting such as: strong, emphasis, underline, and strikethrough. | Poetry is an artistic medium, so we retain direct formatting such as: strong, emphasis, underline, and strikethrough. | ||
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Languages can be applied as needed. See the [[public: | Languages can be applied as needed. See the [[public: | ||
- | =====Styles===== | + | < |
- | ====Poem (DAISY)==== | + | |
- | The Poem (DAISY) style is used to wrap the entire poem, or fragment of a poem, in the < | + | |
- | The Poem (DAISY) style may also be used to mark up texts displaying elements of versification, | + | =====Complex Formatting |
- | **You must always apply the Poem (DAISY) style first, before | + | Sometimes |
- | ====Poem - Title (DAISY)==== | + | We cannot retain this formatting for EPUB conversion. |
- | The Poem - Title (DAISY) style is used to wrap the title of the poem in the < | + | |
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+ | ====Producer' | ||
- | Example: | + | In these cases where we have removed complex formatting include a [[public:nnels: |
- | ''Title of Poem [Heading 1 Style]'' | + | <WRAP center round box 80%> |
+ | **Producer's Note [Heading | ||
- | '' | + | This book originally appeared with special paragraph and line spaces that added to the meaning |
+ | </WRAP> | ||
- | ====Poem - Byline (DAISY)==== | + | < |
- | The Poem - Byline (DAISY) styles | + | |
- | ====Author (DAISY)==== | + | For more info, see the [[public: |
- | The Author (DAISY) style can be used to wrap the author of the poem in the < | + | |
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- | =====Poems in a foreign language====== | + | |
- | If the poem is in a foreign language, we can select the text and go to '' | + | |
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- | If only select individual words are in other languages, do not apply any language formatting. Simply make a note of this and include this note when you are done and transfer the ticket to the Production Coordinator via RT. | + | |
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- | =====Complex Formatting and Producer' | + | |
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- | Sometimes you will come across a poem that has more complex formatting that can not be translated to EPUB. | + | |
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- | We can not retain this formatting for EPUB conversion. | + | |
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====Common Types of Complex Formatting===== | ====Common Types of Complex Formatting===== | ||
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* and concrete poetry. | * and concrete poetry. | ||
- | In poetry the use of blank space on a page, between lines, words, or even letters, can be used to convey meaning. We can not retain blank spaces. | + | In poetry the use of blank space on a page, between lines, words, or even letters, can be used to convey meaning. We do not retain blank spaces. |
- | Lines, stanzas, or entire poems can use right justification to convey meaning. We can not retain right justification. | + | Lines, stanzas, or entire poems can use right justification to convey meaning. We do not retain right justification. |
- | A Concrete | + | A concrete |
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- | <WRAP center round box 80%> | + | <WRAP center round box 90%> |
**Example** | **Example** | ||
Original Poem: | Original Poem: | ||
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{{: | {{: | ||
- | In-Text Producer' | + | **Example** |
+ | Transcribed Poem: | ||
- | BEGIN PRODUCER' | + | expresses its |
- | In the section titled (5) the words after the first line originally appeared with no spaces and in the shape of a hammer. The poem has been reformatted to have spaces between the words, and without word breaks at the end of lines. | + | regret |
- | END PRODUCER' | + | for the |
- | </ | + | |
- | ====Images in Poems==== | + | ramifications |
- | Sometimes you will come across images | + | |
- | We transcribe all images of text and mark up with the appropriate NNELS styles. If it was a case of complex formatting, then use an In-Text Producer' | + | build on the positive relationships |
- | Sometimes you will find the poet has used an image of a black bar to signify the censorship of a word of phase. In this can you can keep the image and add the Alt-Text "Thick black bar blocking out word/ | + | present |
- | ====Producer' | + | people of this land live reconciled as brothers and |
- | In these cases include a [[public: | + | sisters and harmoniously steward and protect |
- | <WRAP center round box 80%> | + | the |
- | **Producer' | + | |
- | This book originally appeared with special paragraph and line spaces that added to the meaning of the text. Due to the conversion process these design elements have been removed. For poems that originally appeared with more complex formatting there are in-text producer’s notes. | + | island together |
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- | For more info please go to the [[public: | ||
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- | ====In-Text Producers Notes===== | ||
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- | If there are individual poems within a collection that have complex formatting you may have to also include In-Text Producer' | ||
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- | Always us the '' | ||
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- | Below is an example from the book // | ||
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- | For more information on what elements can go within a poem's DAISY XML Structure please check out the [[http:// | ||
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- | <WRAP center round box 80%> | ||
- | **Example of An In-Line Producer' | ||
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- | **Original Poem Sections** | ||
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- | =====Example Word and XML markup===== | + | ====Images in Poems==== |
+ | Sometimes you will come across images of text in poems. This is a big no-no in publishing and not accessible. See the section on [[https:// | ||
- | ====Example 1==== | + | We transcribe all images of text and mark up with the appropriate NNELS styles. |
- | **In Word, if we tag the text below with the Poem (DAISY) style...** | + | Sometimes you will find the poet has used an image of a black bar to signify the censorship of a word of phase. |
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- | le temps a métallisé la neige | + | |
- | et le silence s’est réjoui | + | |
- | pour mieux se confondre | + | |
- | des traits blancs se précipitent au sol | + | |
- | des montagnes s’accrochent | + | |
- | sur les écorces des arbres et sur | + | |
- | des bras épineux | + | |
- | les verts disparaissent | + | |
- | les bleus deviennent opalescents | + | |
- | les contours des bruns et des roux | + | |
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- | par moments | + | |
- | un oiseau tire un trait noir | + | |
- | dans cet espace accéléré | + | |
- | **... then this is the output we will get in XML: | + | ==== Q&A Archive ==== |
- | ** | + | Q: I have a follow up question about the poetry book, How to Dress a Fish. In your answer below regarding |
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- | ====Example 2==== | + | I expected that the black boxes would be images of black boxes since you said to add alt-text for them. I've actually found that all the black boxes I've encountered so far (I'm about 30% through) are regular text in the docx file - so, I can see the word that was originally blacked out in the text and there are no images of black boxes to add alt-text to. |
- | **In Word, if we tag the text below with the Poem (DAISY), the Poem - Title (DAISY), | + | So, to format it to be like the original, I was deleting |
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- | XXIX | + | |
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- | When in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes | + | |
- | I all alone beweep my outcast state,</ | + | |
- | And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries, | + | |
- | And look upon myself, and curse my fate | + | |
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- | **...then this is the output we will get in XML:** | + | |
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- | </ | + | |
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- | =====Q& | + | |
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- | Q: Hi: another poetry | + | |
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- | Looking ahead, there is a mixture of text and images. A particularly complex one is the image for [grocery list, July 26, 2015]. I lean towards keeping the images and doing prod notes for them because of how complex and visual they are but I wanted to check what you thought. | + | |
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- | A: I looked at the book, and this is a tricky one. Text as images is a big publisher no-no. We currently do not retain complex formatting for DAISY books. | + | |
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- | For most of this collection | + | |
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- | * First transcribe and markup the poem styles as per wiki standards | + | |
- | * insert a In-Text Producer' | + | |
- | * Keep the images and do an In-text Producer' | + | |
- | * Enter simple Alt-text for image (e.g. Section of poem as originally formatted.) | + | |
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- | Other formatting tasks for this book: | + | |
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- | * retain italics, underline and strikethrough when they occur. | + | |
- | * For the lines and small decorative images that work as content breaks, replace them all with the asterisks. | + | |
- | * For the text boxes, use the wiki standards. | + | |
- | * Keep the black boxes and add the alt-text "thick black line that blocks out word" | + | |
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- | For an example of another tricky book I recommend downloading ' | + | |
+ | A: Sorry for the confusion. | ||
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- | Q: I am editing a book of poetry, Arias by Sharon Olds. One of the poems uses scansion marks to indicate syllable stress in the middle of the poem. How should I approach this to ensure it is read appropriately? | + | Q: I am currently working on the poetry |
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- | Here is the relevant part of the poem: | + | |
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- | being the baby, | + | |
- | being the mother, | + | |
- | / - - / - , , / - - / - , | + | |
- | dactyl, trochee, dactyl, trochee, | + | |
- | active witness, active witness of the witness. | + | |
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- | A: Leave it as is. You can mention in the Producers note at the beginning that the poem include scansion marks to indicate syllable stress. | + | |
+ | A: Recreate it with the same numbers as it is in the original. The poet meant for the lines to break up like that, as this is a common technique in poetry to convey meaning and emotion. | ||
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+ | Q: Also in " | ||
- | + | A: This is not a table, it is three columns. Tables are used for tabular data, in this case it was used to create the layout | |
- | Q: Follow up to the Magnetic Equator poetry question. I did read the section on complex poetry formatting before posting my question. The example says to use an inline prod note before each poem to describe the formatting. However, if you look at the poems in this book, their formatting | + | |
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- | BEGIN PRODUCER' | + | |
- | In the following poem, there is a blank page between each stanza. | + | |
- | In the first stanza, the first line is center justified. The second line is indented and there is a space in between the word " | + | |
- | END PRODUCER' | + | |
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- | or would you recommend a simpler but less informative note like this: | + | |
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- | BEGIN PRODUCER' | + | |
- | The following stanza has some lines that are right justified. It also has large spaces placed irregularly in the middle of lines. | + | |
- | END PRODUCER' | + | |
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- | A: The simple version of the inline producer' | + | |
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- | Remember that an inline producer' | + | |
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- | Most people will be reading the poetry for leisure so the producer’s notes are just to let people know formatting has been removed and maybe provide some general description on how it was originally formatted. If a reader requests a copy with original formatting or wants to know details about the original formatting then we can always do that a later date (that’s yet to happen.) Remember, a key rule of thumb to accessibility is keeping it simple. | + | |
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- | Q: I am doing a book of poetry, Magnetic Equator, | + | Q: I'm wondering about alignment |
- | {{:public:nnels: | + | A: Poetry is a controversial area of ebook production |
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- | A: Though I see what you are attempting | + | You can delete all empty pages as we don't have to worry about retaining |
- | ---- | + | And yes, do use all the original punctuation. TTS is good at reading punctuation. If you're curious how TTS can read text, you can enable the built-in dictation software on your iOS (VoiceOver) or Windows. Keep in mind that TTS software tend to differ [[http:// |
+ | Q: Currently working on Pendent que Perceval Tombait (poem). I saw a previous Q&A mentioned that all blank pages should be removed (we do not need to keep same page numbering), but we can keep the text on separate pages for the poetry book. I know that we also have to remove page breaks. Is this the exception for page breaks? The answer in that Q&A was not clear to me. Otherwise, how would you keep the text on separate pages? There are often no headings, so I can't even use headings as a divider instead. Each page has 4-5 lines, and then skips to the next page. | ||
- | Q: Another poetry question: In the book Treaty #, on page 1, 33, and 63, there are a bunch of backwards words. They' | + | A: That was back from when we did DAISY. I removed that line from the wiki. Just format |
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- | A: In this case, leave it as is since it is the intent of the author to have it difficult or impossible to read. Insert a inline producer' | + | |
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- | Q: In the book of poetry I'm working on (St. Boniface Elegies), there are quite a few words marked with italics. On the page on poetry | + | |
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- | A: You can retain the italics in the lines of poetry, but remove the italics from the titles, blockquotes, | + | |
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- | Q: Also relating to the book of poems (St. Boniface Elegies), I've come across a poem that is divided into sections and each section has a title. So essentially they are sub-titles and normally I would give them the next level of headings. But since this is poetry, I'm not sure how to handle them. Should I tag the sub-titles with the Poem - Title style? With the next level heading style? Or not tag them at all? The poem I'm referring to is called " | + | |
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- | A: Keep them as Poem (DAISY), but retain the italics. You can also put an inline producers note to explain what you have done. The wiki has some examples of this in the poetry section. | + | |
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- | **Q: I am editing a poetry book that uses Italian, French, and Latin. | ||
- | A: Unfortunately, | + | [[public:nnels: |